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zenyattagal:

If feminism is only believing women should be equal, how come the following things will get you criticized as being unfeminist?

1. Believing misandry exists. That doesn’t mean you don’t think women should be equal, so why isn’t it considered unfeminist?

2. Mentioning that men can be raped and…

Questions that demand answers!

teaandtheatre:

Remember how hearing aids and CIs used to have on/off switches? I can’t be the only one who thinks that it’s stupid they no longer have them. In fact, it’s more annoying to reach behind and turn the battery compartment open (and hope they don’t fall out), and ultimately more clumsy, right?…

Hmmmmmm……

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zenyattagal:

I say: Dyed in the wool feminist?

alexandra says: Wtf does that mean?

I say: You don’t know what a feminist is?

alexandra says: Well yes. Idk about the wool part

I say: As in you’re a feminist to the core. A die hard.

alexandra says: haha sure

I say: That’s you?

alexandra says: Sure

I say: Hmmm, you wouldn’t like me then. I’m MRA. 

alexandra says: What’s mrs male something?

I say: MRA? Men’s Rights Advocate.

alexandra says: Ya. Ah.

I say: Well… think about everything you know about gender politics… and, for the most part, reverse it. MRA’s believe that feminism is, and this is a hard pill for a LOT of people to swallow… but that it’s something of a magic trick.

alexandra says: Ohh boy

I say: This is usually where feminists rage out and stop talking because their world view is threatened. believe it or not I’ve never actually been able to have a conversation with a feminist about Men’s Rights Advocacy. It’s like they can’t even discuss it, it’s anathema to them.

alexandra says: haha

I say: Like alright… you’ve heard about the wage gap, right?

alexandra says: Yup men make more which is SO very wrong

I say: Well, have you heard of the death gap?

alexandra says: Guys go first

I say: Because men are twenty times more likely to die on the job. In fact, they’re more likely to end up as corpses at every stage of life. Now, between .25 cents an hour, and ending up a corpse… which do you think.. pound for pound… is more important? Men dying on the job at about twenty times the rate women do, or women making a twenty five cents less an hour?

alexandra says: So that gives them the right to make more? I don’t think so women work just as hard as men

I say: See how you frame it? That’s the magic trick. I just told you men end up dead. As in dead. As in they’re not alive anymore.

alexandra says: Equal

I say: And you’re still upset about men making more per hour. 

alexandra says: We both work the same damn job we should make the same

I say: And you’re still upset about it. Step outside yourself and think about how dehumanizing your attitude is to me.

alexandra says: Hell yes I am

I say: You’re upset over wages, while glossing over the fact that I have a twenty times greater chance over being a dead body, mangled in some machine, etc etc. That’s how little you value me.

alexandra says: Its fucking bull shit. I work the same job as you and just because I’m a women I make less.

I say: Or men, in general actually. See? I’m a man and I’m more likely to die than you are. But you don’t seem overly concerned with that.

alexandra says: Women could die on the job too not just mrn

I say: Sure, they could. And some women make more than men.

alexandra says: Anyone could die on the job

I say: But men die twenty times more often. And anyone could make the most at an office.

But Men die twenty times more often. But you don’t care.

alexandra says: Depends on the job

I say: You’re more concerned about wages. My life vs. .25 cents an hour. And you think the .25 cents an hour is more important, more concerning.

alexandra says: Yeah yeah of course I am! We did the same amount of school work the same job but ill always make less cuz I have a vagina instead of a dick

I say: And you seem strangely unable to see why I would think of that as hurtful. Alright… elt’s take your analogy. Actually, let’s not. You don’t even view me as a human being. Because I have a dick.

alexandra says: Yeah you guys die book hop so do girls

I say: guys die twenty times more often.

alexandra says: Well you don’t view me as a human being

I say: You don’t care.

alexandra says: Who the fuck cared we all die

I say: The German says, but I make twenty five cents less an hour at the workplace, to which the jew responds… but we die twenty times more often. Wow.

alexandra says: That doesn’t mean men need to make more because they are bigger risk takes than women are

I say: We all die, so it’s okay if men die more. Cute. =0 You have so much hatred for me and other people with penises. I’m not sure how to counter it. Picture your father losing an arm. and him dying slowly on some machine shop floor. Or whatever. But it’s no big deal, we all die, right?

alexandra says: So because men are risk takers and they will do things that will risk their lives they should make more because women aren’t risk takers ha no way

I say: Did I say that? I just said men die twenty times more often. Yet strangely, you don’t seem concerned with that at all. In fact, you actually rationalize it. To you, I am the Jew. And when I die it’s no big thing, something rationalized away. I wonder if you see it.

alexandra says: Yup you all die. Yeah you dumb asses die more cuz you’re willing to risk your life your own damn fault

I say: So firemen are dumbasses? Policemen? Our armed forces? Those morons. Search and rescue parties? Dumb motherfuckers all.

alexandra says: We should be equal but no you’ll always rein over the women

I say: How can we be equal when you think I’m less than you are? When even if I die protecting you all I get is scorn?

alexandra says: I’m not saying all men are dumb asses just those ones that do stupid shit that get themselves killed If I were s police officer id expect the same pay

I say: Like firemen, policemen, emts die on the job all the time.

alexandra says: Yup and so do fucking women

I say: But far and away more men. Same with the armed forces. Despite there being tens of thousands of women in the armed forces… the overwhelming number of casualties are male.

alexandra says: Um no women do too its not all about you high and mighty men

I say: But more men do. Like I said, on average it’s 20-1. Roughly. Remember when you were a nice, sweet, friendly person in this conversation? And now you’re full of venom.

alexandra says: And I wonder why dumb ass

I say: because… I think men dying on the job is important? Or because I have the audacity to think men ending up dead is a more pressing issue than .25 cents an hour?

alexandra says: And the women ehh well let’s just forget about them. They aren’t importsnt

I say: When we’re talking between “mangled corpse” and “.25 cents an hour”. Yes. I agree, that issue is pretty secondary.

alexandra says: We take care of you men bend over backwards for you. What do we get?? NOTHING

I say: huh? Did someone demand you take care of men? I’m not familiar with that law.

alexandra says: Wel you men can’t seem to do anything for yourselves so ya Its all about you guys well fuck that

I say: We’ve moved from you thinking us as Jews to you thinking of us as “Niggers”. We’re just too incompetent to do anything for ourselves. We’re just too weak. Any other hateful stereotypes you’d like to accuse me of? First when we die we’re stupid, even if we die saving women and children. And now we’re just too weak and stupid to manage anything on our own. Mind you, I’ve yet to say women aren’t equal or any of the like. That’s only been coming from your end.

alexandra says: When a man is married does he do his own laundry? Cook? Clean? Take care of the kids?? Hell no that’s the women’s job. You can’t even find anything in the fridge without help

I say: In fact, can you even IMAGINE what your reaction would be if I said “Women are too incompetent to do anything on his own”? So we’re retarded. Okay. And you tell me that, in your heart of hearts… you view men as “equals”?

alexandra says: On job level. But men are good at something women at others, I should not be punished for being a women

I say: But men are retards, weak and incompetent, and too stupid not to die on the job. Which isn’t a big deal anyway.

alexandra says: Whatever

I say: Yes, whatever. Because you don’t view men as equals. And when it’s right there, staring you in the face, the best you can muster is to look away.

alexandra says: You don’t view women as equals

I say: really? where did I say that? Oh wait, I never did. I just said “.25 cents less an hour is a less pressing issue than ending up a mangled corpse”. And I’ll stand by that statement every day of the week.

alexandra says: You don’t think we deserve to make the same as you

I say: And I said that where? Oh wait, I never said that either. I never even suggested it. In all your blind hate you never even stopped to think.

alexandra says: Really? Men should make more but women?! Ehh they don’t deserve it cuz they don’t die as much on the job. Fuck you

I say: But either way, I’m done taking your abuse. And it is abuse. And your hate. And it is hate. Even if you can’t see it. I’m letting you know, as a courtesy, that I’ll be posting this conversation on Tumblr. People need to see the kind of bigotry and hate feminists are capable of.

I think this is a brilliant example of the string of rationalizations we normally see, and how far some people will go to avoid the issue at hand.  We can actually see how at every turn she tries to step away from the actual point and sidestep the issue of people literally dying.  (However, it would be remiss of me not to point out that while the “death gap” is very much a real thing, the “wage gap” is not….which arguably makes this about ten times worse.)

Great illustration of the thought process here.

(Source: empathnegative)